missiles from Gaza

well there have started again firing missiles from Gaza
Rocket and missile fire

update !! this is worst one i have seen living here terrorists have got into israel towns i am expecting a lot of deaths and the iron dome is not working this time as good no one was expecting this there has been 2000+ missiles fired i can hear all the booms around me but noting has landed near me yet

you may be seeing more on uk tv then i am because of Army censorship

israeli have been kidnaped into Gaza

there is some Very Graphic film coming out of whole family being shot and killed in bomb shelters by terrorists

there is a lot of information on Aljazeera news 4 shot dead at bus stop

Access denied on that link Peter,, They don't want us knowing, God bless you , Stay safe

because my wife was in army security she is in a whatsup group they are saying an army base on the border with Gaza was taking over by terrorists

tom plum maybe out side israel they don't want terrorists to know were and if they are hitting were there are aiming at

And I thought Platt Bridge was rough. !!. Terrible state of affairs. Stay safe Peter

Just been on news Iran is backing the terrorist, not good

They are saying that 7000 rockets have been fired at Israel.

LINK

well i did say it was bad

up to 100 dead and 400 injured and some Kibbutz are still not clear of terrorists

I am watching it on CCN now.

up to 200 dead 1100 injured fighting still going on inside israel

i think it may get to 500 till morning a lot of people missing up to 50 kidnaped and taken into GAZA

Bloody Philistines, Samson sorted 'em out with a dead donkey's jawbone!

Peter stay safe. Everyone from wiganworld is thinking and praying for you.

Thanks for that post Ron. Stay safe Peter and wishing you and all around an early exit from this dreadful act.

Thoughts and prayers are with you all Peter. Stay safe.

Steal people's land and this is what happens I'm afraid!! Nothings said when the Israelis keep attacking Palestine

You are correct, Eggbeater.
I see there is no mention of how many Palestinians have been killed over the years by the Israelites

Eggie and Cheshie, I agree, bit concerned about Iran's involvement though.
Nostradamus did predict "a man in a scarf" would start a horrendous war, and I have heard people talking about this. I'm not a follower of his though.
But... I think the Israelis are under immense pressure this time. They should have seen it coming.

Stay safe peter

Peter Israel

You and yours be careful and stay safe

people are now condemning putin and rightly so! for stealing land that does not belong to russia yet israel did the exact same thing decades ago! were was all the western arms given to send the israelis packing then i wonder? israel as always been a rogue state with mossad making 1000s of state sponsored assassinations.

Eggbleater

Britain, us, we, yoo, well your ancestors effectively created Israel, when we effed off from Palestine in 1948, which we had administered (ruled) for years, leaving them, the Arabs and the Jews to fight it out between themselves on who would rule the country.

But ...... if you have it given to you by a greater power?

Posted by: tonker (27534) View tonker's page

But ...... if you have it given to you by a greater power?

Replied: 8th Oct 2023 at 23:09



The Balfour declaration

Eggbeater - I'll be more than happy to debate you anytime on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. But this is not that time. True that Israel in the past has killed Palestinians but it has never deliberately gone out to kill civilians. As I write this, there is a massacre of 260 kids who were at a music festival where terrorists just came along and murdered them for no reason at all. All day, my wife has been in contact with her assistant because her parents have been locked in a bomb shelter on their kibbutz for the last 40 hours and we don't know if they are dead or have been kidnapped or what has happened to them and they are pensioners. To kidnap the elderly, women and children as young as 1 year old is inhuman. There are young women who have been kidnapped and the mother is getting phone calls with men explicitly saying what they are doing to their beautiful daughters. Thank you everyone else for your wishes for me and my family. I will try and keep you updated but now I see that the international press are covering it. There is a lot of stuff not come out yet and it is not pretty. Some of it is on social media. PS - As you noticed this is spelt well so you can know its not me typing but the wife....

Posted by: peter israel (1928) View peter israel's page

Eggbeater - I'll be more than happy to debate you anytime on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. But this is not that time. True that Israel in the past has killed Palestinians but it has never deliberately gone out to kill civilians. As I write this, there is a massacre of 260 kids who were at a music festival where terrorists just came along and murdered them for no reason at all. All day, my wife has been in contact with her assistant because her parents have been locked in a bomb shelter on their kibbutz for the last 40 hours and we don't know if they are dead or have been kidnapped or what has happened to them and they are pensioners. To kidnap the elderly, women and children as young as 1 year old is inhuman. There are young women who have been kidnapped and the mother is getting phone calls with men explicitly saying what they are doing to their beautiful daughters. Thank you everyone else for your wishes for me and my family. I will try and keep you updated but now I see that the international press are covering it. There is a lot of stuff not come out yet and it is not pretty. Some of it is on social media. PS - As you noticed this is spelt well so you can know its not me typing but the wife....

Replied: 8th Oct 2023 at 23:51



Thanks Peter and Mrs Israel for the update. Thoughts are with you

by the morning i think we will get to 1000 dead

the army have taken back all village's inside Israel and the army has called up 300'000 reserves soldiers....

link

Israel-Gaza latest: Israel under 'huge' rocket barrage - as it implements 'total siege' of Gaza with no food or electricity

Hamas is a Islamic
Terrorists group they hate Israel they are backed by Iran , just like Wagner they were backed by Putin, they need to be taught a lesson

People need start to separate Hamas and the Palestinian population most Israeli's do not have a problem with Palestinians but we all have a problem with Hamas

Too Tonker and First Mate.

Was the Balfour Declaration of 1917 acted upon ?

No it wasn't, because it was a furniture polish, it was a Pledge, and it was done to placate the Americans in WW1.

The Jewish state was formed in 1948 after the British left Palestine, some 31 years and another World War later.

Why

After WW2 Britain had to go cap in hand to America and literally beg for money, for a loan, because we were skint, broke, and like in WW1 and WW2, the American Jewish lobby had a lot of influence over the American government, and in return for a loan of $3.75 billion, and under pressure from the Americans and the fact that Britain could no longer afford it, Britain started to dismantle the British Empire, so it is not hard to imagine why Britain pulled out of Palestine is it, the Americans wanted them to go so that the Jews would have a homeland, but it was Britain pulling out of Palestine which allowed the creation of the Jewish State in 1948 not in 1917.

"Was the Balfour Declaration of 1917 acted upon ?

No it wasn't, because it was a furniture polish, it was a Pledge, and it was done to placate the Americans in WW1"

I never said it was, acted upon, merely clarifying Tonkers post.

1948

The Yanks didn’t want Britain to create a Jewish state in Palestine. It was because the yanks, at the time, relied on the Arabs for oil supplies, so they didn’t want to fall out

Gaza !

It is not that long since I watched a documentary about the history of the Middle East, and it was that complicated that it gave me a headache

To cut off water and supplies to any area is just wrong and tantamount to genocide. To anyone that says well they started it, the women and children didn't, war is a man's game and it's time they all grew up.

"Press release"
"Foreign Secretary announces new support for almost 6 million Palestinian refugees"

And THAT was last month !

Angelwood So what should Israel do to get the woman and children back ??? I'm waiting???? Two weeks ago the woman and children of the top hamas leaders were taken out of Gaza !!! Why??

Could these refugees end up in uk ,,Hamas started this war supported by Iran in Gaza's it's ruled by Hamas , not the Palestines

"Could these refugees end up in uk" ........ what a silly question. Of course they will !

Peterisrael, what about the ordinary people left behind? In days the place will be rife with typhoid and the like. Two wrongs don't make a right. This war has been going on since Moses, time it stopped.

Angel
How do you stop terrorists, like. ISa, alquida,Islamic army and many others who are intent on murder and destruction, they are pure evil ,

Tonker
May be suella braverman
Will send them to a safe country good luck with that

AngelWood there have water there is deep wells in gaza Israel has shut the Electric off.... And there grow there own food they grow so much food they export to Israel.... they will have problems with what they import so instead of Israel they will have to us there Egyptian border so i dont think there will suffer with typhoid

last night i mentioned about my wife's assistant parents on the kibbutz well reports are coming out that there is 150 dead on the Kibbutzs

WTF is this all about...excuse my ignorance...is it religion..politics or what ? ,I am not a great follower of history etc...Northern Ireland was a mystery to me...why do people get murdered before the politicians sort it out ? Is this supposedly holy land of JC himself . What would he think ?...not that I believe he ever existed.

It's getting bad over there. Everyone I know is praying for Israel

Hi Erin

You are right it is getting bad over there, and it could get worse, I was watching Biden's speech earlier on, and I know he is not your man, but he was seething about it, and if it is proved that Iran has funded, equipped and armed Hamas, then not only will Israel attack Iran, but America will probably attack Iran too, because Russia is bogged down in Ukraine, and Russia may have even encouraged Iran to cause trouble in Israel to divert attention from Ukraine, and draw America away from supporting Ukraine, but Russia has consistently got it wrong about the America and the West's response to Russia's actions, so America may also attack Iran to put paid once and for all to Iran's nuclear weapons program.

True Iran funds Hamas and also Hezbollah in Lebanon but I don't think what Hamas did was under orders from Iran. I believe that Hamas got "lucky" when it got through the border fence and took over and then it snowballed. The USA fleet has been brought in off the coast of Israel in case the violence expands with Hezbollah and Iran - but I don't think it will - its a deterrent. Blaming Iran, I believe is the same as what Bush did blaming Iraq. Saying that nothing explains and excuses that Hamas (not the the Palestinian people) did. Don't believe every word that Bibi says.

Peter Israel
The horrific massacre of children being decapitated and cut up women and children ,these terrorists group's hate the west ,it's not that long ago the manchester bombing was the fault of one of these terrorist groups,they are evil ,and need to be destroyed brutal nasty people ,

From the Palestinian health ministry

"Since Israel began airstrikes on the Palestinian enclave Saturday at least 1,055 people have been killed in Gaza, including hundreds of children, women, and entire families, according to the Palestinian health ministry"

I agree with Angelwood. Two wrongs dont make a right. Israelites killing innocent civilians is a no, no. Hamas killing innocent civilians is also a no,no

So what are saying ,
Let the terrorist Killl whoever they want and let them go
Go unpunished, it dosnt work like that they are called terrorist for a reason .

Read my post properly!
" Israelites killing innocent civilians is a no, no. Hamas killing innocent civilians is also a no,no"

If the Israelites do the above, they are as guilty as Hamas. So that would make the Israelites terrorists if they just kill and maim anyone in their way regardless if they are innocent civillians, and children!
At the moment the Israelites are just bombing everything according to the news reports.

Disagree with what your saying Hamas attacked
And commited one of the worst atrocities that's been against innocent women and children, that's terrorism, Israel have right to respond ,if they didn't the terrorist would just carry on so how would you stop that

Bloody Religion.

Literally BLOODY religion

How many millions of folks, over how many hundreds if not thousands of years, have been slaughtered in the name of something which I don't even think exists, I don't believe that God, Allah, Buddha or any other Deity exists, I think it is all a load of crap

You may be right TTS
Trouble is they do believe in there God's ,,
Why do these terrorists have to kill women and children,then they blame Israel for defending there people,all country's
Defend there own citizens even uk,

i will try to answer In Gaza a lot of the buildings are built on legs so the ground floor has a space to park cars so what happens the missile battery is parked under the building and israel knows this the pilots see them!! so what do you do ?? they know that the building have family's inside... Then they pull the Missile battery out fire them and pull them back under the building
about israel firing Missiles at buildings there are not like Hamas just firing at towns and hoping for the best .... The protocol is before the air force fires it has to phone the civilians in the building to give them time to leave... Or they fire a small missile first what they call a knock on the door to give notice what is going to happen and then there flatten the building ..... just to add at this moment there are Hamas terrorists being treated in the same hospitals as the people they shot.... hospital

This is the kind of things people are going through here!!
granddaughter what is going through some ones head to think of doing this.... I will change that not thinking about it doing it!!! evil

peter israel, they are vile psychopaths and sociopaths to commit such atrocities with no remorse

Posted by: surfer_tom
" Israel have right to respond ,if they didn't the terrorist would just carry on so how would you stop that"

I 100% agree with you that they have a right to respond.
The point I was making was that they should be a lot more careful when firing their missiles as to avoid killing totally innocent Palestinian civillians and children

Always civilians . The safest place to be in war is the Army .

Hope Peter Israel is safe and well. Not seen him post for a few days.

Peter Israel and his wife might be on their way to the UK.

We can only hope.

TTS, it’s nothing to do with religion!

Thankfully, the majority of Muslins, many of whom had fled from middle east countries contolled by terrorists like Hamas or had relatives killed in bombings in our country did not take part in what was despite the lying claims by the protesters that they were not taking sides was in reality support for Hamas and terrorism.

The Government need to get a grip of what is going on in our country if they want a true peaceful multi cultural society!

Blame Liza Nandy Todge



You blame her for everything else so why not

Still no word.

Still no word.

If you mean about Peter Israel, he posted earlier on another thread.

Thank you,that's good news.

I hope the Israelites will allow food, aid, medical supplies etc through and reconnect the power and water to help the innocent civillians and children who are caught up in this.
They are not doing themselves any favours in the popularity stakes

I agree.

"Hamas officials say that hundreds of people have died, after what they say was an Israeli strike on the Al Ahli hospital in Gaza City.

Video shows chaotic scenes outside the hospital as emergency workers attended to casualties and took them to a nearby hospital.

The Israeli military says it is looking into the incident.

The BBC is working to verify what happened."

Totally sickening whoever is responsible.

Israel says they have not done it, the BBC say the Palestinian Islamic Jihad have done it, but whoever has done it, it is evil beyond belief.

news on live map
Don't know what happen at the HOSPITAL IN GAZA some say it's Israel some say it's Hamas there is video but it's not clear.... all i can say 100% a lot of people died or got injured

now there is photos!! if it was israel there would have been crater were the missile had landed and the building would have been flattened not just a fire

photo

Sounds like a homegoal to me...now Joe is there . It can only get worse

The Israeli army has released a conversation between two Hamas operatives on the failed rocket launch by PIJ: "They are saying that the shrapnel from the missile is local shrapnel and not like Israeli shrapnel" "Couldn't it have found another place to explode "
conversation

The Israelites are hardly going to admit they did it!
Its quite possible that they did it, on the other hand its quite possible that they didn't.

At the end of the day there are innocent casualties and a hospital has been destroyed.
Like Angelwood said "Totally sickening whoever is responsible."

Hamas terrorists started this war killing and murdering innocent people at a music festival there was Also British people killed for no reason they took women and children ,hostages why,now they are telling lies about the missile it's been verified that Israel had nothing to do with it,

Read your history, Surfertom.
This war was not started last week!
It started in 1948 when the Israel state was created and hundreds of thousands of Palestinians were displaced from their homeland after the conflict

By 15 May 1948, the population was 805,900, of which 649,600, i.e. 80.6%, were Jews and 156,000, i.e. 19.4%, were the remaining Palestinians of the region which was occupied and named as Israel later on.
The first war (1948–49) began when Israel declared itself an independent state following the United Nations' partition of Palestine. Protesting this move, five Arab countries—Egypt, Iraq, Jordan, Lebanon, and Syria—attacked Israel. The conflict ended with Israel gaining considerable territory.

In 1948, more than 700,000 Palestinian Arabs – about half of prewar Palestine's Arab population – fled from their homes or were expelled by Zionist militias during the 1948 Palestine war.750,000 Palestinians were displaced ,
Gaffer.
Thats the bottom line!
That is quoted from the internet.

Cheshire cat you need to check the history ,
Hamas was only formed
In 1987 ,they were not around in 1948, fact!

I know that!
Palestine were around in 1948 fact!
Thats when it all started!

how we got here cheshirecat use google translate
We must not go back to 1948
Also you may like to know what went on and is going on in Gaza between Hamas-Fatah
Hamas-Fatah dispute
also mohammad dahlan did not help
Mohammed Dahlan
As you see it's not that easy and know one to speak to on both sides

I appreciate your input, Peter as you know first hand what is going on.
I hope you are all safe.
The point that I was making is that there are two sides in a conflict, two versions of the cause of a conflict, and then there is the truth.
History is history. We cant change that at the moment.

there is a documentary called blue box on bbc i player and Netflix's... that explains a bit about what happened with the Palestinians and the dirty secret.....

Filmmakers explore the history of the Jewish National Fund's Blue Box fundraising campaign and its connection to the displacement of Palestinian communities.

Read the Bible!

Cheshire cat
What are you saying their are two sides to every dispute what happened on October 7
Was a massacre barbaric killing of innocent people who went to a music festival from all over the world who could not defend there selves including british ,hamas terrorist stared this

Surfertom.
What happened on 7th October was totally horrendous. But the conflict started in 1948, not on the 7th October! What happened then was another awful massacre in an ongoing conflict.

Cheshire cat
So why are these terrorist killing other nations , and taking hostages ,what's that got to do with 1948 , they hate the west

What's 'the west' got to do with it?

Cheshirecat, it didn't 'start in 1948' at all. They've been fighting each other, down there, for thousands of years! The 1948 event was an attempt to stop the agro, once and for all. But, how arrogant of the British to even think they could stop it so easily?

In the meantime, innocents are being starved out by Israel.

Posted by: surfer_tom (691)
"Cheshire cat
So why are these terrorist killing other nations , and taking hostages ,what's that got to do with 1948 , they hate the west"

Why did the west bomb Iraq and kill thousands for nothing believing that there were weapons of mass destruction in the country?
That was proved to be a complete fabrication, as no weapons were found
What is your opinion on that?

Posted by: AngelWood (979)
"In the meantime, innocents are being starved out by Israel."

I wholeheartedly agree with you, Angelwood.

Talking about innocents being starve out will remind many of the USSR during the time of Stalin!

Your minds wondering again OC

Cheshire cat
think your getting confused Saddam Hussein Was a brutal leader of Iraq baath party who who dropped
Chemical weapons on his own people wiped villages out he was the president and also the prime minister who supported terrorist groups that's why the Iraq people tried him and executed him good riddance

The Americans were determined to introduce democracy to Iraq without understanding the Arab mindset. The war strategy was doomed to fail and its legacy is a very sad one for the people of Iraq.
The execution of Saddam Hussein and Colonel Gaddafi opened the doors to much of the migration from the African continent that we see today.

Thanks for clarifying that, Gaffer.
Maybe Surfertom will believe you.
He doesn't seem to believe me?

Cheshire cat
What as gaffer actually
Clarified, please explain yourself gaffer what Saddam did for Iraq

SurferTOM

Saddam Hussein was a Sunni leading a country with a Shia majority. The Iranian revolution brought a Shia country hostile to Saddam Hussein.Since time immemorial Shia and Sunni have been at each others throats. The American backing for Iran against Iraq led to thousands of Sunni and Shia deaths. This was the tribal part the Americans didn’t understand when they tried to impose democracy on Iraq which would have led to it becoming a fully Shia country.Saddam Hussein wasn’t best pleased.
You would have thought the Americans would have at least have considered the long term outcome when they deposed the Shah of Iran, their equivalent of a king. It was a US strategy that brought the religious leadership to Iran. The rest is history and a more uncertain world.

It was the same in Rwanda with the Hutu and Tutsi with countless killed on both sides.

Well explained, Gaffer.
Libya is also now a lot worse off and a country in turmoil since the demise of Gadaffi, due to the West intervening in their business.

So, Surfertom.
The next time you complain about the amount of immigrants coming into our country, the West was part of the cause

Starmer insists he didn't say.....
What do you think?

Gazans need food and water. Humanitarian Israel?

Where then is the United Nations to deal with the Humanian problem?

OC
Interesting you say that abou UN , wonder why the Arab country's surrounding gazza didn't send any aid too they could have helped them
They have plenty money from there oil fields,

Other countries and the United Nations want to send aid but Israel had put an unlawful total blockade of Gaza

Trucks carrying aid have entered Gaza

They have now, since Joe Biden pressurised the Israelites a couple of days ago